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Clarity required on 48V 3000 MPII operation

We recently installed a 48V 3000 MPII, Cerbo GX and Pylontech US3000C.

When running on AC with the heater on (1,000W) and basic consumers (375W), the system switches to inverter when turning on the kettle (2,400W). Today I briefly accidentally switched the heater to full power (3,000W), instead of turning it off while the kettle was on, showing almost 5,000W in VRM.

1. Is switching to inverter under these circumstances normal? 2. Will such 'peaks' damage the inverter?

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The transfer switch is capable of passing 32A through from grid.

Do you have power assist enabled or a current limit set?

When it switched to inverting was it still passing through grid or had it rejected grid?

The system will only invert what it can (usually 2400W, less when it derates), it will shutdown if it is asked to do more than it can, either from overtemp or overload.

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Alexandra avatar image Alexandra ♦ commented ·
It can switch to inverting if the sudden draw drops the voltage from the grid side often because of high resistance connection. It will be "seen" as an instability and be rejected.

The inverter will let you know by shutting down if there is great unhappiness with what you are doing. They can peak over two times their inverting power for a short while, and are forgiving of mistakes, especially if they are correctly installed and have the right sized battery bank.

If poorly installed you will develop issues.


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ralf-ct avatar image ralf-ct Alexandra ♦ commented ·

The high 'heater' draw was at 14h36. The AC input voltage seems to be constant. I'm concerned about the fluctuating output voltage. The 'dip' between 16h00 and 18h00 was due to a scheduled power cut. 48v-3000-multiplus-ii-vrm-portal-2023-06-10-191839.png48v-3000-multiplus-ii-vrm-portal-2023-06-10-191916.png

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ralf-ct avatar image ralf-ct commented ·

1. "Do you have power assist enabled or a current limit set?" Not sure about PA, according to online info it seems to be on by default. Input Current Limit is currently at 15A. CCL and DCL are both on 37A.

2. "When it switched to inverting was it still passing through grid or had it rejected grid?" Both grid AND inverter are on during the elevated W/A draw. It seems to be 'topping up' from battery.

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Alexandra avatar image Alexandra ♦ ralf-ct commented ·

When AC voltage output on an inverter is unstable when inverting, it can point to a battery weakness.

H owever yours is not properly synchronised to the grid voltage. That is too weird. Check there is not a circuit feeding into itself like a loop. Will be wiring related most likely.

Do you have one or two batteries on your system? 37A is not enough for a 3kva Victron inverter. Something is going to fail there. (3000 ÷ 48 is 62.5amps) or two of your batteries.

So to answer one if your questions, yes there is going to be damage in your system, not immediately but it will show up. Either the Pylontec will become a balloon bouquet or the inverter will have damaged electronics. Your currently have a 1500w system on one battery.

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