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Trying to believe SOC but voltage is lower than I would expect

I know you can’t check the state of charge of a battery based on voltage and therefore one should go by the SOC on the Victron, but I always have trouble believing the Victron when, for example it says SOC is 75% and voltage is 12.15 (I’m assuming 12.2 to be the 50% point). My question is: in a 12V system, what range of voltage should one not be surprised at when the SOC is 50%? In my example, should I just blow through 12.1V and only look at SOC or should I be concerned that something isn’t right? I’ve had the Victron for years and I never go by SOC because of that issue……so why have the Victron if I can’t believe it!

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Matthias Lange - DE avatar image Matthias Lange - DE ♦ commented ·

What is "the Victron"? I guess a BMV or SmartShunt?

What type of battery?

Settings of "the Victron"?

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dbasmb avatar image dbasmb Matthias Lange - DE ♦ commented ·
Sorry, I didn’t include the details of my setup thinking it was a basic question. Hope this helps:


Victron BMV - 700

3x group 27 lead acid batteries in parallel

Mounted in a boat

Settings:

Bat Cap: 327

Charge Voltage: 13.2

Tail current: 0.5

Peukert: 1.2

efficiency: 85%

No load current: 0

Let me know if you want more info.


So, the direct question is if the SOC is 50% for example, what is the voltage that would look out of line and unexpected - 12.1, 12.0, 11.5, 11.0, etc? I recognize that the voltage really is meaningless unless there has been no load for a time, but after using 12.2 volts as a lower limit for so many years, it’s tough to teach old dogs new tricks!

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snoobler avatar image snoobler dbasmb commented ·
As @guy-cashmore indicated, there are a lot of variables. If you are under load, the SoC represented by the voltage observed is ALWAYS low, i.e., if you're discharging, and the battery says 12.1-12.2V, which some references indicate is 50%, you are actually ABOVE 50% with absolute certainty.


How low you can go depends on the battery age, brand, capacity, type (AGM, FLA, GEL), battery temperature and the C rate. The Victron shunts consider Peukert, so they're more accurate than most when using higher than C20 current.


Completely cutting off the battery for 24 hours is impractical, but that will get you an accurate voltage to SoC reading.


Even cutting the load/charge for 15-30 minutes, you can get a small bounce and a better idea of voltage indicated SoC, though it's still conservative.


Unfortunately, as an old dog, you're going to have to learn this new trick. There's no answer for your question. Back in my FLA days, I confirmed it by periodically (every few months) cutting off the system for 2 hours and approximated the SoC based on voltage.

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guy-cashmore answered ·

Lots of variables!


Measuring SoC using voltage requires zero load on the batteries for a period of time before measuring, basically when you remove the load the voltage will slowly climb and you need to wait until it has stabilised.


You also need to take into account the temperature of the batteries and the chemistry type (gel, AGM, flooded etc) and even these vary a little between different brands.


So as you already know, given these issues, it's not regarded as a very accurate method of measuring SoC. My suggestion is get a SmartShunt!


Guy

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kevgermany avatar image kevgermany ♦♦ commented ·
There's a BMV in already. Smart shunt is redundant.
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seb71 avatar image seb71 kevgermany ♦♦ commented ·

He answered before the OP wrote about the BMV.

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kevgermany avatar image kevgermany ♦♦ seb71 commented ·
You're right. Wanted to make sure OP wasn't confused.
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