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Multiplus 2 48/5000 with Pylontech US5000

Hi all

Just looking at getting my ESS project underway and obviously want to get started asap. Just a quick question. The recommended battery for the 48/5000 is 200 to 800 amp. I believe the US5000 is only 100amp but it does meet the requirement for surge current when starting up. Therefore, is it ok to or did anyone else start with just 1 * US5000 on this inverter and build the system up by adding another battery approx. 3 months later. Solar generation is going to reduce in the UK shortly so the single 4.8kw battery would be enough for take the excess solar until the spring

Thanks

Simon

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Juha Tuomala avatar image Juha Tuomala commented ·
You probably mean recommended charging current is 200 - 800 ampers.
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simon-jukes avatar image simon-jukes Juha Tuomala commented ·
Hi Juha

I got the 200-800 from the manual next to recommended battery capacity

Thanks
Simon

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Juha Tuomala avatar image Juha Tuomala simon-jukes commented ·
Capacity is measured as current * time, the result is ampere houts, Ah.
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Alexandra avatar image Alexandra ♦ simon-jukes commented ·

It is the rated capacity for lead acid systems.

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simon-jukes avatar image simon-jukes Alexandra ♦ commented ·

ok thanks

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@Simon Jukes

You will need 2x 5000 Pylontec to match the nominal current of the inverter.

The Pylon US5000 is a bit short of that. You will see an alarm anyway. So if you want the lifespan advertised get 2. (And less issues).

5000 ÷ 48 = 104A

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Thank you, I will hold off until I have the 2 batteries then


Cheers

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Alexandra avatar image Alexandra ♦ simon-jukes commented ·
@Simon Jukes

If you want to size using peak ratings, you would also need to use the peak of the inverter, in the case of the 5000 it is 9000 so 187.5A, would also need 2 batteries.

So if you see a better deal on other battery makes, check both nominal and peak ratings.

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Juha Tuomala avatar image Juha Tuomala commented ·
That only applies if you run your inverter with its nominal maximum rate which probably is not happening in the most sites. Those are nominal values and useful if you want to design the system based on those. Real use is less and can be good place to save money to get started.
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Alexandra avatar image Alexandra ♦ Juha Tuomala commented ·

@Juha Tuomala

The batteries need to supply the full inverter cuurent in case of fault conditons. Then the inverter can shut down. You do not size a battery for loads only.

It must first be able to supply the inverter fully, then if more is needed to cover energy needs for storage that is added. If not then your system is safe.

Otherwise you are asking for a fire.

Simon-jukes has the correct approach. Wait, buy another battery and then install and use the system.

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simon-jukes answered ·

ok thanks

I have decided on the Pylonteck, but, if I do change, I will double check the inverter peak

Thanks for the info


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nickdb avatar image nickdb ♦♦ commented ·

The UP5000 has a recommended continuous discharge of 50A, you will need more than 2 for a 5kVA inverter.

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Cheers for the info

I am holding off until I have the initial 2 batteries, aiming for 4 eventually

Thanks again

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Juha Tuomala avatar image Juha Tuomala simon-jukes commented ·
Do your calculation what you consume. Constant 5000 watts is a lot of power for residental use. Maybe some washing dryer consumes that much?
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simon-jukes avatar image simon-jukes Juha Tuomala commented ·

Hi Juha

I have an EV, so the excess usage on top of approx. .5 kw is intended towards charging the car. the Zappi charger can be set to only charge if a % of battery / solar is available. If not for this I would have gone for the smaller inverter


Thanks again for your feedback


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l81ker avatar image l81ker nickdb ♦♦ commented ·

The latest spec sheet rates the battery at 80A continuous use (*temperature dependent) so that changes things a little compared with the original launch spec.

Original can be found on Pylon Tech's own website here https://en.pylontech.com.cn/pro_detail.aspx?id=134&cid=23



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simon-jukes answered ·

Hi

I've seen the 80amp with 100amp max, this is pushing me towards using a 100 amp NH00 fuse in a fused isolator so it will also be a disconnector when powering down

Simon

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