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MultiPlus-II 48/8000 48/10000 - Certificates available ? (VDE-AR-N ; NA Schutz) German Grid

For the Victron 48/3000 and 48/5000 MultiPlus-II Series there are enough Certificates.

We want to install a System with the 48/8000 or 48/10000 MultiPlus-II.

I only can find the DOC Certificate.

We need for example the VDE-AR-N 4105 or VDE-AR-N 4110.


When these Certificates will be available ?

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Matthias Bäuerle avatar image Matthias Bäuerle commented ·
We would need the same for the new MultiPlus II 48/15000 - is there anyone knowing when this might be available?
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juergenal answered ·

VDE AR-N 4105 Certificate for the Multiplus 2 / 8K & 10K is now available

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Meine_Energiewende answered ·

same here .... we need this quite urgent. We thought that the whole series has the same certificates.

We have 2 Installations waiting ....

Thanks

Jens


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bm97ppc answered ·

and the G99 for the UK ?

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netzerodude avatar image netzerodude commented ·

@bm97ppc do you know if the G98 / G99 has been achieved yet?

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bm97ppc avatar image bm97ppc netzerodude commented ·

Not seen anything.

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juergenal answered ·

ich benötige diese auch, da ich demnächst installieren werde, VDE-AR-N 4105 oder VDE-AR-N 4110

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Vangelis Beligiannis answered ·

I also need the EN 50549 certificate that is obligatory since 2016 for the EU countries.

It is not available. I have an official answer from Victron Support that they don't have one, they do not know when they will have it and they cannot put pressure to have it quickly!

The same I suppose goes for all the rest.


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tdorsch answered ·

Same here. Still no NA-Schutz Certificate for the MultiPlus-II 48/8000 available in the document downloads.

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daywalker79 answered ·

Still the same.
How does the other people here solve the problem?


Auch hier das gleiche. Noch immer keine Zertifikate für den 8000er.
Wer haben die anderen das gelöst?
Lassen sich die Netzbetreiber "bequatschen" und mit den Zertifikaten der 5000er abspeisen?
Nach dem Motto: "Ist doch das gleiche Gerät mit gleicher Software"?

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Matthias Lange - DE avatar image Matthias Lange - DE ♦ commented ·
Versuchen kann man es. Da man mit drei 8000 doch dann aber in dem Bereich ist in dem die Anlage nicht mehr nur angemeldet sondern genehmigt werden muss, wird das genauer geprüft und dann sicher genauer auf die Zertifikate geachtet.


Ansonsten einen externen NA-Schutz einbauen.
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daywalker79 avatar image daywalker79 Matthias Lange - DE ♦ commented ·

Es geht also nur um den NA-Schutz? Da würde dann doch sowas hier gehen, oder?

https://www.victronenergy.de/accessories/anti-islanding-box-63a?_ga=2.128333964.1890295569.1665515739-448318240.1659222833

Was ist denn mit 4.10 FNN-Hinweis für Speicher. Die wollen ja auch das man sicherstellt das man nicht mit Netzstrom den Akku lädt, und dann aus dem Akku wieder in das Netz einspeist um Einspeisevergütung zu bekommen.
Das macht zwar finanziell überhaupt keinen Sinn, aber theoretisch wäre es möglich.


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lyric avatar image lyric daywalker79 commented ·

Would a NA003-M64 Version G device also help?

https://www.tele-online.com/en/produkt/na003-m64-version-g/

I have the same wish to use a 48/8000 or 10000 but in Denmark.


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martin-fi avatar image martin-fi Matthias Lange - DE ♦ commented ·

Kann man mit einem externen NA Schutz (z.B. Anti Islanding Box) problemlos die MultiPlus-II 48/8000 & 48/10000 & 48/15000 er Modelle bei den Netzanbietern genehmigt bekommen ?


Die Quattro I Serie (8k; 10K; 15K ) hat in Verbindung mit dem UFR 1001 / Ziehl Relais (auch in der Anti Islanding Box verbaut) ein Zertifikat für DE-AR-N 4105: 2018-11 (Zertifikatsnummer U20-0690) .

Siehe Certificate-ESS-VDE-AR-N-4105-2018-11-Quattro-48-8000-110,-48-10000-140,-48-15000-200.pdf (victronenergy.de)


Dies haben die großen MultiPlus-II leider nicht.

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schopp answered ·

Has this issue been resolved? I would also be interested in using the 10 000 kW Multiplus II.

Is the DIN VDE 0126 available for the 10 000 now?

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domotica-e answered ·

Das selbe hier. Für einen Kunden 3x MultiPlus-II 10k bestellt. Warten auf das Zertifikat. Angeblich die nächsten Monate. Hat diese schon jemand in Deutschland nach VDE 4105 angemeldet bekommen oder gabs Probleme?

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seppm answered ·

It’s probably known already, but not mentioned here. Since Jan 2024 there seems to be the certificate available also for MP2-8000/10000/15000.

Vielleicht wisst ihr es schon alle, aber seit Jan 2024 gibt es das nötige Zertifikat offenbar auch für MP2-8000/10000/15000.

https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Certificate-ESS-VDE-AR-N-4105-2018-11-EZE-Multiplus-II-48V-8kVA-48V-10kVA-48V-15kVA.pdf

It says: / Es sagt:

Is in compliance with the Network connection rule /
In Übereinstimmung mit der Anwendungsregel:

VDE-AR-N 4105: 2018-11 +Correction 1: 2020-10
Technische Mindestanforderungen für Anschluss und Parallelbetrieb von Erzeugungsanlagen am Niederspannungsnetz

Kommt mir gelegen da ich gerade 3 x MP2-15k plane und auf den sehr teuren externen NA Schutz keine Lust gehabt hätte.

Cheers Seppm

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