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Multiplus 12/3000/120-16 slow responding to DC loads - Voltage varying

HI All.

Not 100% sue that anything is wrong as such.. but haven noticed since turning my engel fridge off from mains (as its main priority and on an inverted socket) so it is on DC only, that the charge voltage is fairly unsteady in 'float' mode.

Set up is 326ah CALB celled (2p4s) battery - Daly Smart BMS - 250a Raspberry pi 3b+ running Venus OS 2.70~15 - BMV700 connected via victron VE Direct to USB cable, then the multiplus.

Set up is on shore power bulk to 14.2, absorption for as short as possible,. float at 13.5. DVCC Shared Voltage sense is ON

The thing I have noticed is that when the fridge kicks in, the voltage drops eventually 0.1v (over a few minutes) to 13.4v, the multiplus then wakes up and starts adding current, eventually overshooting 13.5v to 13.65, then dropping down slowly again.. and the process continues.

Prior to having the fridge on DC i had a steady draw of about 2.4amps, it took a while to settle but the charge voltage eventually settled at 13.5 and held...

I'm assuming that this is maybe by design... i just dont like the overshoot too much, am I missing a setting somewhere that tells the MP when to kick in (ie 0.1v below and stop 0.1v above?)


Steve


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klim8skeptic avatar image klim8skeptic ♦ commented ·

Set ur float voltage to 13,4v and see if the same things happen.

Multi's are not as programable as mppt's.

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JohnC answered ·

Hi @5teve

This isn't by design, there's something wrong. The Multi can be seen to overshoot sometimes when correcting, but this takes seconds, not over the times shown in your screenpic. Too fast even for VRM to detect it usually, but can often be seen in VictronConnect with it's 'per-second' monitoring.

Maybe the bms, how you have it wired, whether under External Control, etc. I'm unfamiliar with that bms or indeed the rpi, but what you're seeing isn't normal.

Maybe supply more detail as to how you have it all setup and programmed, and someone here can surely set you right.


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5teve avatar image 5teve commented ·

Thanks @JohnC

I'll try to provide more info.. but there isnt that much more I can think of..

  • Battery 326ah CALB Celled 2p4s battery connected to
  • Daly Smart 250a BMS (currently standalone, not part of the victron network) connected to
  • BMV 700 and shunt (Connected to Venus OS raspberry PI via VE direct to USB cable) Connected to
  • Victron Multiplus 12/3000/120-16 240V - Firmware 481 Connected via VE Bus to USB to
  • Raspberry PI 3b+ Running Venus OS 2.70~15 with a 5" touch screen.
  • All VE bus and VE direct adapters are Victron

DVCC shared voltage sense is ON so I understand the multiplus uses this instead of its own internal numbers

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VE Configure - Multiplus Charge Settings -

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BMV Settings -

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If there is anything else that you need to see then please let me know and i'll post it..

Others have commented (on facebook group) theirs only varies by 0.05v hence me trying to work this out


Steve

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JohnC answered ·

@5teve

Thanks for that info. Can't see much wrong there. There's an alarm triangle showing on your DVCC pic - not related?

You say the Daly bms is standalone, no comms cables to any Victron kit?

I suspect the bms is the cause of this, allowing/disallowing current movement at it's own will. Where your BMV probe is located might be key to what you see, if it's located at the battery 'behind' the bms. So the Multi won't be actually reacting to the true voltage it's producing, rather the V supplied by DVCC. Maybe try disabling DVCC and record both V's to see what might be happening. Hope this makes sense..

This is indeed strange, and I'd love to hear how you go with it.

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5teve avatar image 5teve commented ·

@JohnC no the alarm triangle was a grid loss from earlier in the day I didnt clear.. The jetty was having some electrical work being done.

Daly is standalone and connected directly to the battery at the battery.. the shunt is connected to the output of the BMS directly..

I cant see the BMS being the cause, as everything operates as it should (and very well I must add) apart from this oddity.. and it literally is just slow reactions to load.. As the BMS is 'smart' it has a serial connection (still waiting for a venus driver to be finished) and has bluetooth.. so I can see what is going on within the battery.. and nothing exeeds cell limits or anything so cannot see where it could cause an issue.. however I am far from an expert..

I think i have a few things to try.. first turn off DVCC and see how the multiplus acts.. secondly change the float voltage to 13.4v to see if that has any effect..

I'll update as I find things..


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klim8skeptic answered ·

Post a photo of the exact location of the multi's voltage sense connection to your battery.

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So although we have added some details and done some testing, I seem to be getting nowhere with this slow responding charge / PSU...

Even if someone said thats normal and posted a graph of their equipment doing the same.. i'd be happy.. But from what I have determined... it looks to be abnormal...

Steve

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Hi, I have the same behavior, a multiplus 12/3000 responding to a battery heater (almost resistive load)

Van connected to shore power, 400Ah Battleborn Lithium Batteries

In what mode is your multiplus, on or charger only?



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