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ESS shuts of PV Power in Keep Batteries Charged Mode

I have a Quattor 48/8000, MPPT 150/85, Lithium battery back up, controlled by BMV 700 and CCGX. All components are running the latest firmware as of 19 Jan 2019.

When I select Keep Batteries Charged mode in the ESS settings, all power is supplied by the grid. Solar PV is shut off and not available to supplement charging or the AC loads.

This is not how the system should behave, as per the ESS manual.

When the mode is changed back to Optimised (with BatteryLife) PV is again available and everything works as normal.

I am changing no settings other than the ESS mode.

I am really stumped with this one. Can anyone from Victron give any pointers as to what might be causing this behaviour? Could this be something to do with the settings of the ESS Assistants on the Quattro?

Thanks in advance.


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mihair avatar image mihair commented ·

Hi @Deanodxb

Why do you wanna keep the lithium battery pack most of the time at 100% SOC? Is this 100% SOC the real SOC?

AFAIK 100% real SOC will shorten battery life drastically, plating the lithium at anode.

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Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) answered ·

Hello Dean,

Sorry to say this is a known and long standing issue that is proving stubborn to resolve.


The recommended work-around solution is either:

Set the mode to Optimize, and set the minimum SOC to 100%. Note that with this workaround there is still a difference with the “Keep batteries charged” mode. The system will not recharge the battery from the grid after a power outage.

Or

Enable DVCC (check CCGX manual to see if that is allowed for the used battery type, make & model)


Edit: I have now also addressed this in Q1 of the ESS FAQ for future reference.

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deanodxb avatar image deanodxb commented ·

Morning Guy,

Thank you for the prompt response. No worries with this quirk, I'm sure it will be resolved sooner or later. We use the system in Optimised for BatteryLife nearly all the time so there is no real negative impact in my case.

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Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) avatar image Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) ♦♦ deanodxb commented ·

I haven't had much problem with it either in my ESS system. I typically only use the Keep Batteries Charged mode in an emergency like if there is a storm coming that could mean an extended blackout, so don't care about lost MPPT, just want the batteries full quickly.

Then turned to Optimised again.

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gilemon avatar image gilemon commented ·

Hello,

I have the same type of problem I reported here: https://community.victronenergy.com/questions/74516/grid-feed-in-excess-power-not-working-anymore-in-e.html

I have tried "Optimize, and set the minimum SOC to 100%", and it is oscillating constantly. When battery is fully charged it starts using inverter (MPPT/solar + batteries) after 5 seconds it recharges the batteries, then after 5 seconds for a moment (1 second) it does not use MPPT anymore. This dance makes the battery balances go crazy. It does not seem healthy to me.

I also tried enabling DVCC (I had to upgrade Multi firmware to v481), without any change.

When switching back to "Keep batteries charged" mode, everything seems much more stable. Just sometimes the MPPT/solar totally stops feeding the DC, which results in a loss of a third of the potential solar energy (see the red square in the VRM historical data).

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Any idea about what should I check or want can cause this?




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rolandp answered ·

Good afternoon,

I had the same question and the expert answered me as follows:


Solution 1: Set the mode to 'Optimized ...' and set the min. SOC at 100%. It is not the same function as 'Keep batteries charged' because it is not being charged from the grid.

Solution 2: Turn DVCC on, (first check if it is allowed with your battery type). See CCGX instructions for compatibility list!

I wish you good luck!
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