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Mark Turner asked

Importance of adherence to clearance requirements?

How important is it to adhere to the installation instructions on victron equipment with regards to clearance on inverter installations? Does it really matter if equipment is boxed in tightly with little to no air gap? Will this affect the warranty?

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Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) answered ·

Clearances are not specifically mentioned as exclusions to the Victron warranty.

Generally lack of clearance is not a reason for a Victron product to fail. Heat sensitive Victron products also include thermal derating - so power output (and heat production) will be reduced as temperature rises.

Installation location DOES become a factor when there is additional sources of heat (such as installation in a machine, engine or generator room) but speaking generally, if the unit is installed in a suitable room, with it's own temperature control or ventilation, without additional external sources of heat, and the system design means that the power reduction is acceptable, then it will not automatically void the warranty.

However please don't consider this a license to ignore the installation guidelines in the product manuals. I would investigate all other possible options first, and only accept installation that contradicts the installation guidance if the alternative was to cancel the job completely.

It would also be very wise to seek a specific confirmation from your supply chain before installation if THEY are also willing to support the system.

The Victron warranty statement terms, conditions and limitations is here if you would like read it yourself, available from the bottom of this support page - https://www.victronenergy.com/support

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daryl avatar image daryl commented ·

The warranty states "This warranty will not apply where the product has been misused, neglected, improperly installed, "

Would not following the installation guidance in the manuals be considered improperly installed?

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anthem avatar image anthem daryl commented ·

Exactly. it really comes down to if they deny warranty (which they can and you are giving them the opportunity to do so by installing it improperly) - are you willing and able to fight it ? As in it probably involves you being willing to involve legal work to force them to accept your warranty claim. Is it worth it and something you want to risk. Even if someone said it here, which Im sure they wont nor will it be binding - the person who actually makes the decision on accepting warranty claim or not is who you need/want. And I doubt that person is here.

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It’s a broad term, and to be sure, I would run the installation plan past the distributor or area sales manager for their opinion if you were in doubt, or could foresee the installation placement potentially leading to failure.

Victron has a well deserved reputation for good faith honouring of warranty, and does not look for ways to avoid a legitimate warranty claim.

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daryl answered ·

How hard do you want to run it, how long do you want it to last? The product capabilities stated in the datasheet are based on installing it as per the manual. You'll note that the equipment becomes less capable as it's ambient air temperature goes up. You'll also decrease its life running by restricting it's airflow and hence running it hotter.

If you want to run it at low load, intermittently you might get away with it.

You'll almost certainly void your warranty in my view.

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marekp avatar image marekp commented ·

What is the minimal distance between two MP-II?

Instruction says 100mm but does not specify to what.

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Mark Turner avatar image Mark Turner commented ·

Thanks for your answer but very much need an answer from a victron member of staff regarding the warranty,

Thank you though and your input is really appreciated

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klim8skeptic answered ·

Perhaps you could read the Technical Notes regarding temperature derating.

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Mark Turner avatar image Mark Turner commented ·

Hi, I have but it’s much more about how this affects the warranty, I’m guessing it’ll invalidate it personally but it’s for a client who’s bought a huge unit from a supplier with no planning as to where to fit it.

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marekp answered ·

Is there anything wrong in this picture in terms of the distances from the Multiplus unit?


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It's tight around the Multi, but I would not consider it a warranty voiding problem with that installation from my perspective.

The MPPT is a heat source, and it has plenty of natural airflow around it's rear heat sink.

The Multiplus uses fan forced cooling and draws from below, and vents out the top. It seems like there is enough room that the installer could have to allowed more space above the MultiPlus, which would be better, but there is enough to allow airflow. The sides are less important, but again more space is better if possible.

In the worst case, if the Multi does tend to overload or over temperature, increasing the clearance at the top would improve performance.

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marekp avatar image marekp Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) ♦♦ commented ·

So, this minimum 100mm from each side of the MP is not critical, and I can hang 3 units, let say, 30 mm from each other?

Why than, there is >100mm in the instruction?

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Please see my other answer and consult with your supplier for specific installation advice.

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marekp avatar image marekp Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) ♦♦ commented ·

Ok, I understand that the installation can ignore/bent rules as long as is done by Victron certified installer/dealer.

Picture I posted is from this article:

https://www.victronenergy.com/blog/2020/08/11/video-shows-ess-installation/

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