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Multiplus II 2x120v will not power assist from generator

I've been using a Multiplus II 2x120v inverter/charger for over a year but have encountered a problem. When powering the Multiplus from a 120v inverter generator and programming the Multiplus to not draw more than 15 amps (at 120v) from the 'grid', the Multiplus will charge the 3 Battleborn GC3 batteries it's connected to just fine UNTIL I start a sizable load, like 15k BTU heat pump with a 'soft start'. The Multiplus then produces a 'L1 overload' code, which it never has before, begins inverting to power the load, and completely stops taking any power from the generator. The Power Assist feature is on but apparently isn't working properly. I've run the heat pump successfully this way before, but the temps outside have been around 100 F, and the Multiplus has been very warm but hasn't produced any temperature notifications.

I've tried the following already:

(1) reducing the max charging amps to 20 (only 240 watts),

(2) turning off the charging feature completely so that power from the generator would 'pass thru'

(3) turning off the Multiplus for at least 10 seconds before turning it back on.

In all instances, once I start my heat pump or air conditioner, the Multiplus produces the 'L1 overload' code, begins inverting to power the load, and stops taking any power from the generator. I've used the generator in this way to indirectly power the heat pump and avoid draining the batteries. But it seems that the 'Power Assist' feature just isn't working now.

Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks in advance!

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klim8skeptic avatar image klim8skeptic ♦ commented ·

@CalledTo Journey What is the running current of the air con?

Genset continuous Va rating?

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derrick thomas answered ·

Sounds like you have tried a myriad of combinations. Try enabled dynamic current limiter, disable UPS, enabled power assist, disable weak ac, boost factor 1.0, AC input current limit 12 or 13?

Keep trying different combinations until you find the 'sweet spot'

Edit to add: do you have a clamp meter? You might check the startup surge on the aircon, something may have changed. Perhaps the soft start unit is having issues.

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calledto-journey avatar image calledto-journey commented ·

Turning OFF the UPS function and the dynamic current limiter enabled the Multiplus to take power from the generator while the heat pump was running. Thanks for the tip!

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calledto-journey avatar image calledto-journey commented ·

I'll keep trying other combinations to see if something will work.

Checking the startup surge on the AC would be difficult since the line going to it is behind the breaker panel, and it's a pain to get behind it, but I might have to. My hardwired EPO Power Watchdog shows that the startup surge on the heat pump is not much at all, slowly rising to about 1200 watts before coming down to 1100.

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derrick thomas avatar image derrick thomas calledto-journey commented ·

Pull the cover off the AC panel and see if you can get a clamp meter on the wire as it comes out of the circuit breaker. Usually you can finagle the wire enough to get it to fit.

The watchdog is not fast enough to accurately test the startup surge. The inrush current may only be high for a fraction of a second. The best method for testing inrush is to use a clamp meter with a high/low freezeframe.

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Kevin Windrem avatar image Kevin Windrem calledto-journey commented ·

You need a special meter to catch the startup surge. A typical clamp meter will show an average current but not a spike. Even the peak capture mode if available may not be fast enough. MicroAir has a discussion and video about that. They built their own meter to measure true spikes or you can use an oscilloscope with a clamp on probe.

One thought since this was working in the past would be to see if the soft start is still working properly. A true peak reading ammeter would tell you this. MicroAir units can be "retrained". Not sure about the others.

Also, make sure the restart delay feature of the soft start is enabled. If the heat pump is cycling often and the restart delay isn't active the inrush current will be much higher even with the soft start.

Just suggestions for things to try if you have not done so already.

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Justin Cook answered ·

I suspect that the surge in current draw from the heat pump/air conditioner is causing the generator's output voltage to -momentarily or otherwise- drop below the MultiPlus' acceptance range, causing it to kick over into inverting.

Have you read the "MultiPlus Generator FAQ" and followed the suggestions therein? Specifically the bit about disabling UPS function and enabling Weak AC? It's a little dated, since it's still referencing VEConfigure which is no longer needed, you can access both those settings through VictronConnect (via a wired connection through an MK3 of course) but the suggestions and explanations of the issues still hold true: https://www.victronenergy.com/live/multiplus_faq

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calledto-journey avatar image calledto-journey commented ·

No, I hadn't been aware of that page. I'll definitely check it out and get back to you. I do have the 'Weak AC' enabled, but I also have the UPS function enabled, so maybe turning that off will solve the issue. Thanks for the help!

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I finally had the time to work with the Multi this morning but to no avail. I tried disabling the UPS function, but the problem persisted. I tried reducing the AC input max amps down as low as 8, but when the heat pump compressor starts, even with the soft start, the Multi stops taking all power from the generator. A few minutes after the compressor stops, the Multi then starts taking power from the generator again to charge the batteries, but this is obviously unacceptable. I also tried disabling PowerAssist entirely as well as changing the PowerAssist factor from as low as .8 to as high as 3.0. I've read the generator FAQ page and tried everything that I know how to do except check the AC input connection timer, which I don't know how to do. Any additional ideas?

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Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) answered ·

Hi @CalledTo Journey,

I have just added a new amendment to the PowerAssist section of the generator FAQ that @Justin Cook linked above.

This is based on some feedback I've got from the field from others that were experiencing similar issues to you, and were then able to solve them.

I would be interested in hearing back from you as well after you have tried;


There is an additional configurable parameter of PowerAssist called "Boost factor"


When the Multi is charging from the generator, and the current required exceeds the AC input current limit (due to a sudden additional load) then the Multi will switch to PowerAssist mode.


At that moment the precise current needed is unknown. The Multi uses the "Assist current boost factor" setting as a multiple of the AC input current limit, and attempts to provide that much additional current.


In some cases this multiple is either too high, or too low. This would most likely present as the generator unable to stay connected, or fluctuations to the frequency and voltage.


The fastest way to diagnose if setting may be interfering with your specific generator and load operation is to disable power assist entirely. If that resolves the issue, then try re-enabling PowerAssist, but this time also reducing the Assist current boost factor down until it works reliably and still getting the benefit of the feature without the interference.

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calledto-journey avatar image calledto-journey commented ·

After I try disabling the UPS function, as suggested by Justin Cook above, I'll try disabling the Power Assist and then reenabling it after reducing the current boost factor, which I believe is currently set at the default of '2'. Thanks for the help!

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I finally had the time to work with the Multi this morning but to no avail. I tried disabling the UPS function, but the problem persisted. I tried reducing the AC input max amps down as low as 8, but when the heat pump compressor starts, even with the soft start, the Multi stops taking all power from the generator. A few minutes after the compressor stops, the Multi then starts taking power from the generator again to charge the batteries, but this is obviously unacceptable. I also tried disabling PowerAssist entirely as well as changing the PowerAssist factor from as low as .8 to as high as 3.0. I've read the generator FAQ page and tried everything that I know how to do except check the AC input connection timer, which I don't know how to do. Any additional ideas?

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Kevin Windrem answered ·

One note: with 120/240 power coming in, the 120x2 Multi and Quattro simply pass the L2 incoming leg to the L2 output. The inverter isn't involved.

In the system described by the OP, this is not a factor as they said the source is 120 volt only. In this scenario, both L1 and L2 outputs are in fact fed by the inverter from the L1 input.

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calledto-journey answered ·

By turning OFF the UPS function and the dynamic current limiter, the Multiplus worked perfectly, taking power from the generator while the heat pump was running. I also tried running the air conditioner, but it doesn't have a soft start, so the Multiplus will only power it by inverting and won't take any power from the generator while doing so. That doesn't make sense to me, but running the heat pump alone will be great unless outside temps are in the high 90s F, in which case we'll need shore power.


Thanks to all who've made suggestions!

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