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phoenix 12/500 gets overload warning at 400VA and shuts down

I just got the 12/500 and was disappointed that the unit gives a warning at 400VA (according to a Kill-A-Watt plugged into the AC before the load). The smart dongle doesn't give any additional detailed information... just a load graphic that shows the load on the edge of the yellow/red. I thought these were spec'd and engineered much more precisely that the cheap China inverters. Guess it should be called a 12/400... Does anyone actually get 500VA out of one of these? should I return it as defective?

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Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) answered ·

Hi @nafis

There are several factors that can lead to an inverter overload. It is possible to get more than the rated power output listed in the spec in some conditions, and less in others.

Some of the other variables that impact are:

Temperature/airflow, DC battery voltage, power factor of the AC load, and more.

There is an in depth webinar that goes into more specific detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SXtGIx0x5w

If after understanding the non-product factors that could be causing an overload, and still believe it is a defective inverter for your application, please fill in this form:

click here


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I tested the inverter with a 400 watt hair dryer. The Kill-a-watt meter says the power factor is 1. The Victron VE.Direct Smart app gave the warning several times, then after a few minutes the inverter shut off. I'm using a Lithium Ion battery that should be able to produce 62Amps continuously. I'm not sure what wattage equates to the app load graph, but the graph was showing on the border of the yellow/red zone. The air temp was 68F

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nafis answered ·

OK sounds like it a case of Amazon misrepresentation. Nice to see the spec sheet, but the Amazon page ( https://amzn.to/2Ut4XDp ) says "Inverter, Phoenix 12V 500W 120V "... even though I guess the 500 in the product name means 500VA, it's really a 400watt inverter.

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Justin Cook avatar image Justin Cook ♦♦ commented ·

Sadly, the difference between watts and VA is frequently overlooked, if not misunderstood entirely.

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