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I don't think that the Orion has VE.Smart Network. Connect it to a Cerbo or GX Device via VE.Direct is the only way.

Best Kirsten

I am curious what product you have, as to the best of my knowledge the Orion XS won't be available in any market for at least another 10 weeks - will you post a photo of your component please?

Hi @Thomas Downing

VE.Smart networking is not yet available on the Orion XS. We are working on adding it to the firmware, but I cannot say anything on when this functionality will be released.

Kind regards,

Thiemo van Engelen

When (please not IF) the network function will be added to the Orion XS firmware, will it be able to read and use BMV and SmartSense voltages as well?

Cause the voltage readings of the Orion 12/12-30 are far from annoying, frankly they make me angry!

just come here to raise a ticket and see same thing..

were running lithiums so need a way to shut off the DC-DC, the previous Renogy DC-DC had a plug in temp sensor that was used.

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Though its nice to see the New XS VE direct, thats a start.

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install guide shows VE Smart via BT.

BMV smart sharing temp data, , ,

but no VE Smart on Orion XS - FW 1.02

well try and conect to the CERBO via VE-direct for now.

Orion XS, plugged VE direct into CERBO GX,

it was found in the device list . . . but didnt appear on the main page,?

nor could the XS read the temp sensors . . .?

so is the XS FW not ready for GX connections?

Hallo

echt schade das ein Pordukt mit funktionen beworben wird und dann nicht die Funktionen hat. In der Cerbo ist es jetzt auch verschwunden. Echt traurig. Wann wird das ganze denn in der Cerbo unterstütz und wann kommt das VE network. das steht ja auch in der der Anleitung. MFG

This needs to be added sooner.
The core features should be available to users upon release of the product - if it is not ready, then it should not be shipped.

The same is true for the communications to the GX device, a user should not need to run a beta firmware to enable any features as standard.

it does seem a bit odd to release the unit to market, when the FW isnt ready?

thats why i bought the XS , due to the new features (over the Orion 12/12/30) . . . fitted the new kit.

only to find none if it works as expected ! - (until the FW`s of the various units are ready)

would have been better to state that these "features" will be added at a later date.

lets hope Victron pull there finger out and get the FW working soon.

while we on the matter . . .

"can we not just have VE-Smart BT linking with the CERBO instead of VE-Direct cable.???? . . . in my ideal world we would have a CERBO, BT linked to VE-Smart, all over BT (Smart MPPT + Smart shunt + RoVVe temps, Orion XS + Inverter with BT dongle ) - is that feature to much to ask? - or a technical mountain?"

i actually bought a Globallink 520 as it showed that it will connect to multiple devices via BT including XS . . . only to find out after that it has no live reporting (15min updates) and intermittent data over BT link, so VE-Direct is preferred. . . = Back to square one. GRRRR!!!

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frankly 15min intervals are known with the globallink.

realtime would be nice, but would as well produce more mobile traffic. having it configurable in minute intervals could be a solution to this.

beta version of connect APP,

and Beta CERBO GX FW has now added the XS to Connect APP.

which also upps the FW in associated devices ie BMV712

all good progress.

Updates:

https://www.victronenergy.com/live/victronconnect:beta

https://community.victronenergy.com/questions/257253/venus-os-v32040-available-for-testing.html

https://community.victronenergy.com/spaces/31/index.html

which gives us remote connection to the XS.

but still not seen as a separate on VRM, but does shows as a separate DC via the shunt.

Hi All,

Firstly thank you for the interest in the Orion XS, demand has exceeded our expectations.

The datasheet has been updated to make clear that VE.Smart Networking as well as integration into Venus OS/VRM doesn't work yet.

Our apologies for those, it shouldn't have happened and we want to do better so that it doesn't happen again.

There was another clarification regarding the european Automotive standard ECE R10-5. Our internal testing shows it complies, but still needed testing and certification externally, which is in progress. The datasheet has been updated to the more accurate "pending".

Venus OS

Orion XS support for Venus OS is coming in v3.20. As soon as possible, datasheets says March. Includes monitoring locally as well as over VRM. And includes DVCC:

1. Current limiting whereby DVCC will give first priority to Solar, then DC/DC Converter and AC (chargers & inverter/chargers) comes last.
2. SVS - Shared Voltage Sense
3. STS - Shared Temperature Sense (for the battery, not the alternator - we're not now getting into alternator temperature measurements. It would require much more)
4. SCS - Shared Current Sense - to make the Orion stop charging and switch to float once battery is full and no longer accepts current.

All above features already work in Venus OS v3.20 beta versions.

Orion XS VE.Smart Networking

This will go into internal testing soon, and we hope for a quick release.

Towards those efforts support will be limited to:

• Shared Vsense
• Shared Tsense
• Shared Isense

And that is it.

We will not support synced charging for now, nor any time soon. I hope that is not too much of a dissapointment, but we really believe the rest is a much higher priority, with synced charging perhaps not ever being necessary.

If you feel very strongly different, please hold on to it at least until the rest of the feature set is released.

One other common question is "Can I put a temperature sensor on the alternator?"

The answer is no. And the amount of alternators/systems where that is required is quite low; that is more something for high output systems like the our 100A Buck boost DC-DC Converter, or smart alternator regulators such as the Wakespeed or Arco Zeus, trying to get maximum output of a certain alternator.

Again, if you feel very strongly that we have it wrong on this, please wait and let us focus on the core feature set first before we open the debate.

Thanks all again, aside from the missteps above, we are super proud of this product and how it is performing. The R&D team is strongly motivated to continue improving this model and also expanding the range.

Just installed fimware 1.03 with the VE.Smart Support. Thanks

@Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff) I've deactivated the DVCC and checked that the Orion shows the hint that it uses current and voltage from the shunt. But when looking at the app I see differences between the shunt and the orion? How is this supposed to work? Should the Orion show the values from the smart shunt? Or will it compensate without showing? Thanks

@Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff) are there any updates when the Orion XS will be shown in the VRM Overview?

@Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff) / @Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager)

Guys, we need Battery Input voltage drop compensation through VE.network. The Orion XS needs to be able to use - for instance - the voltage of a SmartBatterySense at the starter voltage. In most applications, the Orion is installed far away from the engine bay, hence quite a high voltage drop and the input terminal due to high current and cable length.

Please take this - again - to the development team. This would be a REAL improvement.

My 2 cents: output voltage drop isn' that critical, as the Orion XS can use the tail current to not prematurely switch to Float. The battery will always be fully charged. But the wrong input voltage may limit the output current, right?

Please Please Please ..

To the VE admins and technicians:

Is there an approximate estimate or even gutfeel of when there will be a firmware upgrade so that the Orion XS can also use input voltage from e.g. a Battery SmartSense at the starter battery?