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Are these panels ok for SmartSolar 100/20 MPPT?

Hi,

I got a Smart Solar 100/20 MPPT installed on our van.

Is this panel ok for this regulator? (https://eu.ecoflow.com/products/220w-bifacial-portable-solar-panel)

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What shall I be checking?

Thanks for your guidance in advance,

Elena

MPPT SmartSolar
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klim8skeptic avatar image klim8skeptic ♦ commented ·

@elenabr looks like a 32 cell panel (with voltages to match), and as such does not meet the 36 cell minimum requirement in the manual.

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elenabr avatar image elenabr klim8skeptic ♦ commented ·
Thank you @klim8skeptic, that 32 cell panel about the Ecoflow...where can I get that info? I'm learning :) is that some info on the specs?

Btw: I've tried with the Victron MPPT calculator, and it yields the 100/20 as the recommended one.

Thanks again.

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klim8skeptic avatar image klim8skeptic ♦ elenabr commented ·

@elenabr if you look at the panel you can see that each quarter is made up with 8 cells. 4 x 8 = 32.

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The mppt wont start charging the battery until the pv voltage is 5 volts above the battery voltage (in the manual). And there can be times (overcast, hot, or when the battery is nearly full) and the mppt wont charge.

Plenty of people have had problems with 32 cell panels and the mppt not charging batteries to recommend using a 36 cell panel.


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elenabr avatar image elenabr klim8skeptic ♦ commented ·

@klim8skeptic actually I've seen that, testing it today, battery was 98% so when I connected the panel, I saw 152w in the bluetooth app, but after a few minutes it dropped to 0w, while the battery was showing 99%. So I guess the victron was controlling the power and stopping it since batteries were nearly full.

Great obvious answer about counting the cells.

I am asking all this because I am still within time to return the panel and get a refund.

This is what I got after a minute:

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then...

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And then after a few minutes:

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It was partly cloudy, not the best day to test and as I say

So what I am trying to figure out is whether 1) the panel works -just ruling out any malfunctioning- 2) the mppt 100/20 was the right choice (or say, the panel is a good choice -if working- for the installed smart solar mppt 100/20)

And it's hard to figure out when you are still to learn the basics of electricity, granted ;)
Thank you for your thoughts.

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kevgermany answered ·

Your shot above shows absorption, so the MPPT is still in charge mode. What's happening is that the battery BMS has cut the charge current. This is normal. Guessing that as it's a new setup, the batteries need to balance internally. This will take a while.

Given your location from the other thread, the 32 cell panel will probably be ok as it's working now.

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elenabr avatar image elenabr commented ·

Thank YOU @kevgermany I didn't know that either, that new batteries need some time to balance (and I must google what that exactly means :D) For instance...you mean that one battery may be drawing more than the other because their cells aren't balanced yet? or does this balancing happen within each single battery too, in their cells? I assume this balancing is run by the BMS itself, and I don't need to do a thing.


Now I thought that once the battery monitor shunt showed 99% or 100%, the victron app was going to indicate state: floating (as per explanation learned here https://community.victronenergy.com/questions/63640/charging-bulk-absorption-and-float.html) but will the victron mppt pick that correctly from the relion batteries? What if I see in the monitor 100% and still open the victron smart solar app and read Absorption?

Thank you for being this helpful.

Elena

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kevgermany answered ·

Take a look at the MPPT calculator in the link below.

There's not enough info in your post for a proper answer, but the answer is probably, depends...

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elenabr avatar image elenabr commented ·

Thank you @kevgermany for replying so fast. I've checked the MPPT calculator and inputted all the info I have about the Ecoflow 220 w (except temp coeff data, which I can't seem to find), the result is Smart Solar 100/20


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(The camper van setup is 2 relion lifepo4 12v batteries 100ah each, the Victron Solar Smart MPPT 100/20, and there plugging in the foldable/portable solar panel from Ecoflow)

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