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Pylontech BMS stops MPPT

Hy guys.After a certain load,usually usually 3500-4000w the MPPT stops and everything runs only from battery.I have a pylontech US3000C with BMS that i keep only for backup with small loads at night.But daytime I want to use as much solar power as I can.Discharge current on console is 37A but my BMS deactivates the MPPT ....whats going on ? UPDATE : I have added another US3000C to the system but nothing changed.

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kevgermany answered ·

Would be interesting to see the charge current limit while this is happening.

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Alex Leo avatar image Alex Leo commented ·
Charge current limit of MPPT or BMS ?
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nickdb answered ·

You appear to have AC disconnected, with one battery that is terribly undersized. The system has to lean on the battery for load transitions, Unbalanced systems, no grid etc will cause instability with undersized batteries.

There should be at least 3, preferably 4 for systems like that.

Mppt's are slow and the bank needs to be able to supply/sink large load variations, one US3000C will not be up to that job.

It is a great way to damage a battery.


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Alex Leo avatar image Alex Leo commented ·
I know that there has to be more batteries.But this does not change the fact that the MPPT stops.The battery that i have is only for small loads at night,usually 150-200w.And during the day when load spike this one battery can handle 1500w discharge with no problems whatsoever.The MPPT mixes its power with the battery up to a certain point,and than leaves the load only on the battery.Thats the problem that i have.
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Matthias Lange - DE answered ·

Did you consider using ESS instead?

https://www.victronenergy.com/media/pg/Energy_Storage_System/en/index-en.html

In off-grid the discharge current can't be limited, the Inverter is pulling from DC what is needed to supply the AC load.

Maybe you have a cell imbalance? In VRM go to advanced and there you can add a diagram of the highest and lowest cell voltage.
Or you look in the remote console -> device list -> Pylontech -> details -> there you can see the highest and lowest cell voltage in real time.
At parameters you can see the current CCL and DCL coming from the battery.

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Alex Leo avatar image Alex Leo commented ·
Finally someone who gave me and important information."In off-grid the discharge current cannot be limited".Thank you very much sir,you are a blessing compared to "read the manual" guys.Now I have to understand why the MPPT is going to OFF state and Ext.Control and bouncing between these.I left the loads on the battery for a lot of time,but the MPPT just doesnt want to stabilise and loads remain on the battery.
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Alex Leo avatar image Alex Leo commented ·

I tried ESS but it doesnt load....Last time i tried loading ESS i got


VE.Bus Error: VE.Bus Error 6: Error in DDC Program


For some reason that...again no one seems to know,ESS doesnt load/work on easysolar 2 GX

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Alex Leo avatar image Alex Leo commented ·
Installed ESS,added a second battery,same thing happening....
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Alex Leo answered ·

Finally I got ESS working,and also added a second Pylontech US3000C to the system.But nothing has changed,if the total MPPT load is higher than 65A the MPPT will receive a stop signal.( i presume from the BMS..).Funny thing...no errors ...no alarms,nothing.MPPT just stops and starts...If i got errors or alarms it would be better....Clip attached with the system running ESS and having the same problem.


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sesshoumaru avatar image sesshoumaru commented ·

Thats just my unqualfied idea, so it might be totally off.

One US3000C is rated with 35A continuous load. You have two, so we say 70A.
The MPPT peaks a couple time to 3500W, which at 50V means about 70A.
As with VS and ESS alike the Grid can go away at any given time and needs about 30-60s to connect back once available. Could it be that the BMS uses the continuous load to caculate when to protect its tush? Not the peak load (which should be able to handle 140A for 60s (peak1) and 200A for 15s (peak2))?

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Alex Leo avatar image Alex Leo sesshoumaru commented ·
The weird thing is that even when I had only one battery the situation was the same.The MPPT would not go over 3500W,which like you said,is about 70A even though one battery meant it should be around 37A.After I added the second US3000C absolutely nothing changed.
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sylk answered ·

Very weird behaviour, but my guess is the same as others. It trips over 30 amps on the pv side, but that translates to way over 70 on the battery side. And since bms controls the mppt, it shuts it down. I never encountered this problem in the past when i had only one 5kw array, but maybe because i had minimum 200Ah, 4 50Ah pylons. Now i have 12kw pv, i m willing to test it myself. When i get a sunny day i ll plug in the water heater and disconnect all the batteries except 1 us5000. I ll let you know what i get.

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Alex Leo answered ·

I have 3 Pylontech US3000C,so thats 3x37A which is 111A that can be tolerated on the battery side,and MPPT can put out 100A max.The bigger problem is that i dont have any errors what so ever,when i look in the pylontech menu the is no overvoltage,no overcurrent....absolutely nothing.Everything is ok,the battery says its ok.And i dont think the MPPT should behave like that,shouldnt it throttle up/down?.This stop/start is not right.If battery menu says charge rate 111A in real time...why is the MPPT stopping at 60-70 ? And i repeat,the is no overcurrent alarm on the battery,because if there was i should see it.

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sylk answered ·

Can you go into mppt settings and look up max charge current?

I have no other ideas, 3 x us3000 should be more than enough for the job. Maybe talk to your distribuitor to open a ticket to victron about your mppt, it s worth a try

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Alex Leo avatar image Alex Leo commented ·

MPPT is 250/100 so max current is 100.If it is set over 70A the MPPT stops and starts and thats the problem.If I set it to 60 it works perfectly without any glitch.

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