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MultiPlus ii 12/3000 - System info, Shunt Size and Earthing Requirements


Please see attached drawing for my proposed system - I have already bought the Multiplus ii 12/3000 and 4 x Bosch L5013 Leisure batteries.

I have seen in the Victron wiring unlimited info that the 12/3000 may need a 1000a shunt, is that correct or will a 500A be sufficient? I was planning to buy a smartshunt.

Wiring to/from the inverter and battery bank interlinks are 2x50mm2 with 2 x 200A fuses to protect the inverter connection. Also a 300A on the negative side of the leisure battery bank to protect that from vehicle short. Are any other fuses required/too small or large/in the wrong places? Hopefully my drawing is clear enough!

Also I have read about it being undesirable to go from TT to IT in terms of earthing arrangement, do I just run the CU earthing to the vehicle ground which is also connected to the earth of the inverter? I presume the inverter deals with fault current by linking the neutral and earth internally when the shore power is disconnected?

Any advice relating to any of that is helpful, thank you in advance! Is a BatteryProtect a good item to add to the system also? Where would this go? is anything else worth adding? I want no displays internally, all off the phone if possible, to go in a 7m class A motorhome.


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kevgermany answered ·

Yes neutral and ground are connected automatically when no shore power.

No need to fuse negatives, better not to. Otherwise you may have positive still connected.

I don't see the need for a 1000A shunt in your system. What was the reason given?

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Thanks, I had the negative fused to protect the battery bank from short to chassis, should I just omit this? Does the battery bank need any fusing?

The top of page 36 from the victron wiring unlimited guide says this:-

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I presume that this is because the potential for more than 500A current is there with 14.4v? I doubt very much that the inverter will get near 400A ever, but I would rather it was able to draw what it needed without issue. If the total draw was over 500A presumably the SmartShunt would be fine, but it wouldn't be able to read any higher than 500A so the amount drawn from the batteries would be incorrectly recorded.
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JohnC answered ·

Hi @Joe90k

A 500A shunt will be fine, but not wired like you show in your pic, that's all wrong. I wouldn't worry with a Battery Protect, but I'd add a GX device like a Cerbo. Then use wifi rather than bluetooth, once you go there you'd never want to go back.

Take a look at the example schematics on the website. Indexed under the kit you're considering. Many are complex, but you can see what the pros do if you separate out the chaff. https://www.victronenergy.com/support-and-downloads/systems

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joe90k avatar image joe90k commented ·

Thank you for the system schematics, I had not seen that, the SmartShunt diagram is very helpful. Please can you elaborate on why the wiring is all wrong?

I don't have space for Lynx (I have also seen some others have issues running the 2x50mm2 in and out of it for the inverter and being forced to insulate the main terminal lugs with large heat shrink !! ) I plan to use two inline 200A mega fuse holders for the inverter to batteries, all thicker lines on the diagram including battery interlinks will be 2 x 50mm2 cabling. I plan to run a smaller 500A rated 4 way distribution block with fuses rated for the consumers they are protected. I can't see an issue, just that I haven't used everything Victron, all the components are rated correctly I believe, please correct me if I am wrong!

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