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Solar Charger terminals caught fire

272160a4-a76a-43a2-b4d0-4e4e5af9c626.jpegHas anyone had their solar charger catch fire. We have been using the unit without incident for about 12 months and today I could smell a weird electrical smell. Approached the area to see flames starting to be emitted from the solar charger. Thankfully I caught it in time however it could have been a disaster.

I know the wires look loose. They were pulled with force to try and disconnect the battery and panel from the smoldering charger. On install they were cut to size and tightened as per the instructions Photo was taken post panic after the smoke cleared.

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teloth avatar image teloth commented ·
Coarse strand wire badly installed
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Alexandra avatar image Alexandra ♦ commented ·

For future plans include a pv and dc disconnect breaker near the mppt, so you can cut off the current source for charging and the battery.

The pv one being the important one.


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Alexandra answered ·

@In2Pharma

I have seen this once or twice on systems we have been called in to troubleshoot. Not just Victron sites, and can happen on AC wiring as well.

When things are not torqued to specification and checked periodically you get loose terminals. Loose terminals get hot... Hot can equal fire.

Not a victron fault, a user/installer error.

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nickdb answered ·

Looking at the PV wiring, apart from reversed wiring colours (red -'ve black +'ve), the positive cable is a seriously nasty connection. If the battery wiring was similar, it is no surprise it caught fire.

Sloppy installation = increasing heat over time = fire.


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in2pharma avatar image in2pharma commented ·
Probably should have mentioned in the initial post that the wires were pulled with force in an attempt to disconnect them from reg solar charger. No they weren’t installed with the wires showing. They were cut to size however I didn’t have a screwdriver on me when my bedroom was almost catching fire so I had to think quick and work with what I had.
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klim8skeptic avatar image klim8skeptic ♦ in2pharma commented ·
@In2Pharma What is the serial # of the mppt? Trying to pull up an appropriate manual.
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in2pharma avatar image in2pharma klim8skeptic ♦ commented ·

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klim8skeptic avatar image klim8skeptic ♦ in2pharma commented ·

@In2Pharma This is the closest manual I could find to your build date. Smartsolar MPPT_100_30-50 manual 06-20.

Plz ensure that you install as per manual.

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nickdb avatar image nickdb ♦♦ in2pharma commented ·
This is why fusing and isolators are required for safety.

Terminals only heat up where there is bad contact, something that cascades over time.

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sharpener answered ·

Does the photo show the MPPT in its installed orientation? It looks to be horizontal, this will badly affect the convection cooling.

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von-baron avatar image von-baron commented ·
If it was, I am surprised the pile of paper it sits on did not also catch fire.

It is a simple case of a bad install, wrong wire type, wrong wire colours for the PV side and wrong torque on the terminal screws.

As nickdb stated, why on Earth, are the PV leads coloured wrong?

To me, looks to be here in Australia, from the power board nearby.

I would suspect the solar charge controller will be otherwise fine, just with badly burnt terminals.

Quite amazing, it shows what a small 30 amp unit can do in terms of damage.

Yes, a fuse disconnects or isolation switch is needed in here. Buy one right away and consider yourself lucky.

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klim8skeptic avatar image klim8skeptic ♦ von-baron commented ·
@von baron Got some photos of your install you would like to share??
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von-baron avatar image von-baron klim8skeptic ♦ commented ·

Klim, for my system, I am currently going through a change from 8 cell LeiFePO4 to 16 cell LiFePO4 set up, so 51.2Vdc and am part way through the upgrade at this stage over the past week, so not finished yet.

The battery system is made up of Winston 400 Amp/hr cells.

My previous solar controller was my own design, 32 bit micro-controller based together with CAN bus to a ZEVA BMS. This is now replaced with the Victron MPPT 150 |60 BlueSolar charge controller as part of a larger experiment.

The new Victron RS 48|6000 is mounted and ready to be wired once I install the NH00 fuse disconnects. There will be one for the inverter and another for the solar controller.

The SmartShunt and MPPT 150|60 and then the RS 48|6000 will all be connected via VE.Direct to an ARM based system (Olimex A20) running GNU/Linux which then runs my own complete SCADA system :{open source with many features :{alarming, emailing, historical charts so on}, and very stable and not reliant on fluffy cloud stuff, think industrial}.

Below is a photo of the temporary situation (taken at night time here down under), showing 35mm2 very flexible cable. The battery side of the charge controller leads to a 60Amp fuse, then to the BlueSeas isolation switch before the rather small 100Amp fuse mounted at the battery terminal.

The system feeds a small Latronics inverter at present, so 35mm2 cable is fine, but will go to 70mm2 cable for the RS 48|6000. The BlueSeas switch (red switch) will be removed as it is not rated for the higher voltage (only 32Vdc), hence HN00 fuse disconnects.

Where possible, all cables are crimped to quality lugs, with heat-shrink of matching colour.

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I know what happens with wrong cable like shown, especially in screw terminals. Thing get hot and melt and arcing can occur which then is a fire risk.

Hope that shines a little light on things :-)

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klim8skeptic avatar image klim8skeptic ♦ von-baron commented ·
Very neat, thanks. :)
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von-baron avatar image von-baron klim8skeptic ♦ commented ·

Sorry I referred you as Klim, I guess you don't eat skeptics after all. My brain did not build climate skeptic as quick as others :-).

Actually, do we have a 'Show and Tell' section on the board, I haven't seen one, where we can share what we have for others to make suggestions get or guidance from ?

Would be interesting to see what you and others have.

The above is all temporary, the battery will be rotated 90° so that 16 cells all can be connected in the same method. The shunt will be relocated and cables re-done and tidied up. The BMS unit is again my own design, using Modbus RTU back to the main system controller. There is more :)

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kevgermany avatar image kevgermany ♦♦ von-baron commented ·
Show/tell is a good idea. I'll forward it.
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jjbond answered ·

If the quality of that line in your PV + is any indicator of what they all looked like pre fire, I'm not surprised. By the way, you realize that DC is usually red=positive, black=negative right? Not the other way around as you have...

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Johannes Boonstra (Victron Energy Staff) answered ·

I am sorry to see you have had a major issue. It has been discussed in this thread what might has been the most likely cause on this so I will not elaborate further on that.

What I can say is that if you want you may send/bring us the unit so we can see how far damaged it is. It might be solved with a new terminal (I am not sure looking at the picture).

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kevgermany avatar image kevgermany ♦♦ commented ·
@In2Pharma

If you do take it in, mention the thread and that @Johannes Boonstra (Victron Energy Staff) from Victron suggested it.

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jjbond avatar image jjbond commented ·
That right there is why I'm a Victron fan girl, what appears to be by pictures something clearly not eligible for warranty due to installation issues and Johannes posts that comment, wow..... you don't see service like that anymore. Not even a question about if it is in the warranty period when the install would obviously make that moot and still willing to help the owner out. All you who dog Victron for not having end user support better zip your lips.... well done @Johannes Boonstra (Victron Energy Staff) you Sir are next level honorable!!!!!!
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