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Switches AND resettable fuses

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Hi all - I am planning my camper electrics by going over various other schematics online and cant help notice the amount of people that combine switches and resettable fuses. Can someone explain to me why you'd use both as i always understoof resettable fuses provided a switch function. Thanks!

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southsideph answered ·

Circuit breakers are fast acting and respond quicker to over current and have close tolerances, where as fuses are slower acting so a bit more tolerant to over-current transitions/spikes so fuses are less likely to blow with very fast current transitions, may not want the circuit to disconnect on these current transitions, only continuous over-current.

Given the above possible scenario - Current transitions/spikes can occur during state changes e.g. Multiplus switching between charger and inverter. Although this may only be an instant current spike you wouldn't want a circuit breaker tripping every time this happened - where a fuse would be more tolerant of these spikes and less likely to blow. Other places you may want fast disconnect on over-current where spikes/transitions less likely to occur

I use both in my camper electrics.

hope this helps

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Dylan Tucker avatar image Dylan Tucker commented ·
Thanks that makes more sense. Although why would they still use a switch and the thermal breaker together when you could just flick off the thermal breaker?


When you say you use both in your electrics do you mind letting me know where you do use the thermal breakers? I'll have to finish up my initial design and post on here to hopefully get some feedback, but would be great to know. Thanks!

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southsideph avatar image southsideph Dylan Tucker commented ·

Van Electrics i use Mega fuses as main circuit protection and between battery and MultiPlus for the same reason above. Charge circuits and DC system (Lights, USB Chargers, TV etc), i use breakers as these are lower current circuit protection devices .


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JohnC answered ·

Hi @Dylan Tucker

That black thing is a thermal circuit breaker. Horrible devices. They get hot and trip early. I mean so hot they can burn you. Some come with little rubber covers for the terminals that I reckon are for your protection from getting burnt!

Not the sort of thing to use on a main battery cable. Terminals usually too small anyway. I don't think Victron provide them in a ~1000 item product list, fusing gets the preference, all the way to the Lynx integrated system.

They may have their place in some people's systems. Indeed I revived a 100 Amper from the trash bin to isolate a 5A circuit, and a 150A to isolate my main 12V fuse system (maybe 10-20A at most).

Google up the Victron fusing range. Even if you buy another brand from your local auto store.

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jkmann answered ·

Some people substitute a circuit breaker where a fuse would make sense just so they don't have to carry spare fuses and wrenches to change the fuses. That's usually why you would see a breaker followed by a switch. Either they were following someone else's diagram, or it's a last-minute substitution in a design.

Fuses have fewer problems than breakers though, so excessive use of breakers is actually a way to increase the failure rate of your system.

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Dylan Tucker avatar image Dylan Tucker commented ·
Thanks. Perhaps im really stupid but isnt a circuit breaker effectively a fused switch? So isnt putting a switch before one just having 2 switches? That's what i don't understand. Surely the switch is redundant?
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