hi all! is it possible to use mega fuse 32V for 48V systems. Needed to protect MPPT 250/100. Thanks
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Mega Fuse 32V for 48V system
Not really the arc protection is really where the problem is there.
The recommendation is between 120A and 140A there should be something in the 58v range for you there.
Here are the Mega fuses.
Where do you see the "important" difference that would disqualify 32V version in 48V system?
@MarekP
Good practice is what I am quoting from.
Not picking a particular brand. Notice I did not say anything about that. Using a lower voltage fuse is considered bad practice because of arc fault ability. Arcing means fire. Fire = bad.
Writing on that fuse 58V will not make it different from the one with 32V on it.
"Arc fault ability" is directly related to the mechanical design of the fuse.
If mechanical design is the same "arc fault ability" is the same.
Here is the picture of two identical 125A fuses.
One marked 32V and the other 58V
There is only one difference between them. PRICE.
32V is 15zł
58V is 170zł :)
@MarekP
Check their resistances. And then measure them under their loads in a circuit. Electricity is not about what meets the eye.
@Alexandra
Fuses with the same A rating will have the same resistance. No load or loaded.
I was quoting from a best practice point of view. I did not mention a specific fuse at all. The cold resistance is the same. At the same time as I install for other people, insurance wont cover if i out a 32v in a 58v system now will they? And yes it will be because of the writing....
Do what you like, it's your money and the life of your loved ones.
@Kuban_invertor
It's to do with the blast capacity (also known as rupture capacity) of the fuse. As Alexandra mentioned, a higher Voltage can cause a bigger arc and so the design of the fuse needs to be able to accommodate and contain the blast.
I would always recommend using properly rated fuses for the application.
For the same reason that DC rated protection devices are required in DC applications and not to use devices which are only rated for AC.
Also, bear in mind that the fuse is primarily there to protect the wiring, not so much the MPPT.
thanks for answers! if I understand correctly, the only difference is in the choice of "chamber", where the arc occurs and the fuse blows. price and true in more than 5 times )
@Kuban_invertor
The funny thing is that this "chamber" is identical in both versions. :)
I also drew attention to this. The official supplier of Victron told me - put 32V and don't worry)
Ask your insurance what they recommend.
@Ludo
58V rated fuse will not help you, as far as insurance is concerned, because you will have no proof that you did not charge your battery above 58V.
58V doesn't cut it for an 18S battery.
If you google "SF51" & "70V" you will find mega fuses (51mm centres) up to 500A rated for 70V.
Absorption at 57.6, for me that's within tolerance for a 55v fuse, ofc 70 is the correct value
As others have said, breaking or rupture capacity is the real problem with mega fuses of any rating.
Depending on the chemistry and total voltage of your batteries, the fault current of a LiFePO4 battery can exceed 20kA hence the need for Class T fuses or other industrial fuses like NHxx. Anything else will just arc and catch fire!
YMMV.
Kind regards
John
Arc is depending on voltage, in clean air it should be about 1mm at 1000v. You can use the class T on the primary Solar side of a static system, where 900v is standard to save on copper.
Hi Ludo
1kV/mm is the situation where high voltage causes a dielectric breakdown allowing current to start flowing.
Unfortunately, the issue here is different. When a fuse blows the current was already flowing and an arc will form at much lower voltages, worse with DC. Just try opening a switch on a DC circuit with a moderate load. It is quite easy to get an arc which, if you sustain the gap, will burn through the contacts in no time.
This is why HRC fuses exist and should be used where the source has an incredibly low source resistance e.g. LiFePO4.
Take for example the Pylontech US3000C - it has a short circuit current rating of 4000A but if you have 5 of these in parallel you are looking at 20kA.
Other battery solutions will have higher or lower ratings.
But the Mega Fuse has an interrupt rating of 2500A at 70V so I suggest they are not suitable even for a single unit. CNL fuses are similar.
Also remember what you are protecting - it's not just the equipment, it's the wiring too. If you have some batteries connected to some MPPT charge controllers and a hybrid inverter/charger then any of that wiring could see a fault current / short circuit fed by the batteries. So, just because the MPPT can only supply say 100A, and we protect that with a 120A fuse for example, if a short occurred at the MPPT connection the fault would be supplied by the batteries and hence any fuses in the circuit must be rated for the potential short circuit current.
Kind regards
John
What does victron suggest ?
Comparison NH00 fuse vs Mega fuse.
Yes, thx I know both, next Monday I'll be working on a machine with a 500kW pump connected to a inverter. But I don't believe NH fuses are made / necessary for 70v DC.
And handling of NH fuses is only allowed for trained personnel with appropriate equipment.
https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/240/Littelfuse_MEGA70V_Datasheet-1532099.pdf?ref=as
Maybe this here is also interesting:
Rated for 5kA @ 60V... That should be fine for 48V systems.
edit: Ok I see that it's only available in 450A rating. Could be fine for short circuit protection?!
