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Lynx Dist with 2 strings of batteries

I currently have a single string of AGM batteries wired for 48 V. 4x12 200ah. Runs to the Lynx dist in the usual fashion with a Smart Shunt at the batteries before the Lynx. I want to add a second string of identical bats for 400ah. I have an extra connection in the Lynx. Should I run the second string to the Lynx and make my parallel connection for the two strings there? Also, would I need a second Smart Shunt for the second string since its an ESS system? What is best way to do this?

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Mike Dorsett answered ·

best way to do this? There are several ways that will work, and the physical layout will usually determine which is best. With Lead acid batteries you need to keep the sum of cable resistances the same in both legs, to enable equal current sharing.

The negatives are best paralleled either at the battery, or at the battery terminal of the smart shunt. Likewise the positives should be paralleled either at the battery, or at the positive input to the Lynx. I would add a battery isolator switch / bulk fuse disconnect in the positive of each battery string, making it easy to disconnect one string if you have a faulty battery.

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duswami avatar image duswami commented ·

@Mike Dorsett So, I'm following this. Have another disconnect for the new string. So in this example, could I just parallel + and - at the terminals and have a single run to the Lynx? If so, I'd only need one smart shunt?

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Mike Dorsett avatar image Mike Dorsett duswami commented ·
something like the above and, yes you would only need the one shunt.

But: In the above diagram, the pack on the left has longer lead resistance than the pack on the right. Whilst I know this is only indicative, the lead length total from the common point (+) to common point (-) must be the same. so the negative lead off would be from the left side, and the positive from the right in the above diagram.


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duswami avatar image duswami Mike Dorsett commented ·
@Mike Dorsett Yes, thanks, I understand about the cable length. One thing I've always been curious about is how do the disconnect and shunt impact cable length. Should the leads be equal length even though a shunt or disconnect is on them or is the resistance negligible? I'm using 1/0 cable, but just curious if/how the shunt or disconnect unbalance the flow between the + and - leads?
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Mike Dorsett answered ·

If there is a disconnect in each leg, then the added resistance is equal - so this does not affect the cable length.

The cables should be paralleled at or before the shunt, so this does not affect the symmetry of the battery.

The problem with lead acid and requiring equal resistance in strings comes from the typically 60% charge efficiency (Discharge energy / charge energy), so you need to stop one string supplying more energy than the other(s) during high loads. This is not a problem with Lithium batteries, but some of those require equal current sharing between strings due to limited discharge / charge capability.

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duswami avatar image duswami commented ·
@Mike Dorsett All makes sense, except the shunt. Currently I have two equal length cables coming from the single string, one for the bat disconnect and the other has the shunt on it. Then from the disconnect and shunt two equal length cables going to the Lynx. I guess I'm wondering about the difference between the disconnect and the shunt on the current setup. When I add the second string I'll move the disconnect on the old string to match location of the disconnect on the new string, so everything will be equal there, but won't the shunt create an imbalance as it is another conductor with resistance or will that not matter since the wiring before it is paralleled at the battery? Just curious.. thanks!
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Sorry about the rough drawing. Idea is that currents in the battery strings are equal.

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This shows a variation with 2 disconnects. The lengths from the shunt to the load (not shown) and from the right hand disconnect do not affect the balance of currents in the battery strings, though they do contribute to overall battery impedance (resistance). The total length of interconnect in each string must be equal as this does. Lengths L2 will also affect the current balance, as will L1. These should be the same total length. i.e. L1+L2 for string 1 must equal L1+L2 for string 2.

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Variation 3, with strings paralleled at shunt. Sting cable length is now L2 + L3, length L1 has to be deducted from the -ve cable to the lower string to keep things equal.

Remember that battery impedance will be of the order of a few mili-ohms, so adding cable and connections will have a significant effect.


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Jeff Jensen answered ·

What is -ve? I see it only in this forum.

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