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Bug: Grid setpoint overrides Peak shaving, Dynamic ESS Maximum export power and Limit system feed-in

With the Victron ESS system you have 3 ways to limit your system export power. Even after setting strict limits on how much power can be exported, the system is either completely or partially overridden and ignores your set limits when you set the grid setpoint to be more negative than your configured max export limits.

For example imagine you set the following 3 limits:

  • VRM > Remote Console > Settings > ESS > Grid Feed-in

    • "DC-coupled PV - feed in excess" - turned on

    • "Limit system feed-in" - turned on

    • "Maximum feed-in" - Limit set to 100w (smallest available setting)

  • VRM > Remote Console > Settings > ESS > Peak shaving

    • "Peak shaving" - Set to always

    • "Limit system AC export current" - turned on

    • "Maximum system export current (per phase)" - Limit set to 5A (smallest available setting)

  • VRM > Settings > Dynamic ESS > System

    • "Can you sell energy back to the grid?" - Turned on ("Yes")

    • "Maximum export power" - Limit set to 0.1 kW (smallest available setting)

    • "Operating mode" - Set to "Green mode"

With the above precautions there should be no possible way to export more than 5A to grid for any considerable length of time (even the 0.1 kW limit inside dynamic ess maximum export power should be a hard cap imo), a short spike for a few seconds is acceptable, while for example a minute of disobedience is unacceptable and wrong. The firmware that Victron currently provides for ESS systems fails to limit export to the maximum of the above limits. Such a system would never pass DNO tests and may not be safe. Victron needs to fix these issues. Below are the results of my tests and how you can test this at home from your remote console, if you want to repeat these outcomes and you have DNO approval to do these tests:

Go to:

  • VRM > Remote Console > Settings > ESS > Peak shaving

    • "Peak shaving" - Set to always

    • "Limit system AC export current" - turned on

    • "Maximum system export current (per phase)" - Limit set to 5A (smallest available setting)

  • VRM > Remote Console > Settings > ESS > Grid setpoint

    • (If allowed by your DNO) Set the Grid setpoint to -3,600w as a test.

      • Result: The system slowly ramps up and eventually exports a peak of around 6A. Test fail.

For clarification on my setup, we have:

  • Cerbo GX

    • v3.40

  • MultiPlus-II 48/5000/70-48 (three units in parallel, single phase)

    • v510

  • SmartSolar MPPT VE.Can 250/85 rev2

    • v3.16

  • Carlo Gavazzi EM112 single phase energy meter after DNO mains fuse.

    • Configured as a grid meter inside the remote console.

Results from my tests:

  • VRM > Remote Console > Settings > ESS > Peak shaving

    • "Maximum system export current (per phase)"

      • Set limit to 5A was only capable of limiting exports below 6A

      • Set limit to 6A was only capable of limiting exports below 7A

      • Set limit to 7A was only capable of limiting exports below 9A

      • Set limit to 8A was only capable of limiting exports below 10A

      • Set limit to 9A was only capable of limiting exports below 12.5A

      • Set limit to 10A was only capable of limiting exports below 12A

      • Set limit to 11A was only capable of limiting exports below 13A

      • Set limit to 15A was only capable of limiting exports below 16A

      • Set limit to 20A was only capable of limiting exports below 24A

Based on these tests, I found that the "limit System AC export current" setting is only accurate within 20% of the configured value. So instead of limiting the system export to the configured value the system allows sustained exports of up to around 20% higher than the configured value.

Comments and feedback welcome. Happy to provide further details. Hopefully Victron will address this in future revisions. FYI I'm based in UK, so 10A here is ~2,300W at mains voltage.

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ejrossouw avatar image ejrossouw commented ·

What is your setup with regards to : Peak shaving works for the critical loads on the AC output only, not those connected to an energy meter and only when "battery life" or "keep batteries charged" is enabled.

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moonboi9001 avatar image moonboi9001 ejrossouw commented ·

100% of our loads are connected to the critical loads ac output.


The energy meter we have is installed as a grid meter at the distribution box next to the DNO fuse mains in that comes into the property, outside of that we're not using an energy meter at any other point in the installation.


For the above tests the ESS settings were "optimised without battery life" - do you think that one setting being "optimised without battery life" instead of "optimised with battery life" is causing the ESS to overshoot export limits by ~20%? - that seems very odd to me.

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moonboi9001 avatar image moonboi9001 ejrossouw commented ·

btw I tested using "optimised with battery life" and found the same results. The system still overshoots the maximum allowed export by as much as 20%.

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